from Dan Winter .. ongoing dialog follows... starting 5/18/98
(inset 1/2001) - Note this article is best read after a basic reading / understanding of HOW the sounds of love in the Heart create the phase pumping in the spine 'bliss' juice (sacro cranial pulse)... please see: IS THIS RECURSION?KEY TO THE HARMONIC GEOMETRY OF BIOLOGICAL OSCILLATORS (transcript of keynote lecture to National Polarity Association talk by DAN WINTER on the Heart Emotion's Mechanism to Induce the Spine Pump - Sacro Cranial Pulse).
The Implosion Phenomenon: Psychological Import of Phi Harmonic Music Phi Scalar Technology & MonoAtomic Gold..
Gold Powder vs Heart.. Alchemy's Darker Moments
GOLD Powder2:Inert Superconductors vs Self Aware Steerage from Heart
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Can or Should we Really SEND LOVE?
first Bob Dratch wrote me: (regarding whether all that Global Experiment "Sending Love" might have been related to things coming to a head in India... explosively?)
Yes Dan - that I BELIEVE is the case, although India's action is merely a reflection due to the actions of those that started, and continued to use "beaming" or sending "love" during the "Great Experiment" action performed last month. I have a graphical representation of the "Physics" that occurred on my webpage,
(note to readers here, -fr dan - this is the critical link to get the background of both Bob Dratch's and Drunvalo's contrasting views.. on Bob site:)
All the the classical meditators KNOW that to prevent Karma, one does not SEND anything from oneself to affect a change, because the wave that comes in contact with "reality" becomes phase inverted, the "opposite effect" from the intended is received, and of course, the receipient RETALIATES.
This is so obvious by now inventory review of all the negative actions occurring across the planet, the greatest damage occurring in the areas that have the most "love" expressed through meditation.
And (Drunvalo seems affected) Love himself is affected! So, I think the planet is in serious trouble, Dan.
These people should have known better, that the way to affect change is to be the "love" inside, and be that so strongly that the spiritual flow comes into the beingness of the meditator, and continues to flow inwards and inwards. If it is radiated out from ANYTHING it immediately gets phase inverted, violates spiritual law and dharma insues, making a nasty karma scar.
For instance, I believe Mr. Drunvalo's meditation is fine until folks "beam the energy" out of their bodies from the heart center. I believe that is where the problem occurs - I strongly feel innocents are "blasted" with that beaming and the spashback according to energy physics (the inversion action) is negative. Link a planet up this way, or any other way where the resultant action is to create an effect in others by having others who are aware and those who are NOT AWARE of what is going on receive the beaming action, is to open us globally up for a fall. AND we are seeing that globally.
Dan, I don't know if this negative can be stopped, I am very disappointed that these people who purport to us that they have a RIGHT to do this to the planet would do such and claim they do no wrong.
Dan, the effect is not stopping, or diminishing, it is growing, and it is not the LIGHT that is growing, but as you noted the DOR. (Dead Orgone Energy, from the James DeMeo Circular letter on the bad energy wave circulating the planet after India's nuclear messes..) BOB (Dratch)
from susan: I recently sent out an email to another list regarding
energy hygiene. One aspect of energy hygiene is sending love,
healing energy, whatever, without consent. Not many understand
the karmic ramifications that can have to oneself and the planet.
I referred people to read Bob Dratch's article, a friend of Dan Winter's and a fellow scientist.
I wrote an email to Bob to ask permission to place his article into the files of Solar Heart. Here is his response to me.
I thought you might enjoy reading it.
Hia Susan - thanks for your email and question. (BTW, where's Dan these day's - haven't seen him around in a while.)
On the dangers of "Beaming" anything (i.e. emoting energy from one's body, or etherical evoking of any emission source of energy), there is ALWAYS a flashback. IT doesn't matter if it is apparently a PRAYER group either, if people SEND their thoughts/energy/whatever OUT. It makes no difference to the laws of Physics (God's Law's btw), if the flavor on the beamout (SENDING) is the wishes of LOVE/HATE/REGRET/HAPPY. If the person uses their OWN energy, they eventually burn out unless they are psychic vampires, living off the energy of others... If a person causes OTHERS to send their energy out, just WHO are "they" working for, to get others to be self-consumed.... sorta makes ya wonder, what evoked this newage love-in vibe. Like who are the "who's" behind such, and if they are innocent, how did THEY get duped, who duped them. It sure would be great if there was a revival of healing thru teaching BEING-ness not BEAMing-ness. As I understand it, when one INFLOWS the ultimate SOURCE-LIGHT (and doesn't act like a vampire sucking off other's local light), then one evokes a torrent of inflow. If one has inflowed SOURCE-LIGHT then with the ultimate internal "LOVE", then one has truly opened the doorway for others to FREELY do the same, where they are not wacked/coerced/forced or manipulated. FREE-WILL AND LOVE - what a concept!
Sure, quote the article, and archive it in case the website is overloaded. The above short note is just another re-iteration, feel free to use it if it can help.
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Bob's further comments follow mine below,
inviting Drunvalo's comments... and yours..
thanking bob dratch AND drunvalo for bringing something to focus...
I think helping us focus on practical "spiritual hygiene" needs to be high in our fire breath... door openings..
so.. I was trying to see if all my work on phi and the centering force of heart harmonics making love, in a Merkabbah nest of pressures, (see Merkabbah: Next Step?-Sacred Geometry of Transcendance) was usefully labeled implosive.. and if that was a geometry to understand "sending love".. These were some pieces of the puzzle I wanted to connect:
implosion making nausea, even constipation..
implosion in pineal making soul
implosion in dna braid enabling time travel
implosion speeding up the rate at which fantasies matriculate, even bad ones..
implosion feeling vulnerable too soon, unsorted..
implosion, off center tilting tectonics at atlantis
implosion in microwave making rain (60 degree capacitive cloud buster)
implosion in EKF as the harmonics of compassion (../embedability)
we wrote of the hazards of implosion with ray flowers from www.sangraal.com
"The Implosion Phenomenon: Psychological Import of Phi Harmonic Music Phi Scalar
Technology & MonoAtomic Gold.. Implosion Hazards?"
is it implosion in rf braid which clears air...
is it implosion in the heart and the heart of the sun (below link compare suns heart to heart/and anu 7/5 spin structure)
(& in deca delta time antennae)
../heartsun/HeartofSun.html which lets only hi end ET DNA thru?
is implosion the difference between tetrahedral fire breath incomplete (hex)
tetrahedral fire breath climaxed (pent):
../merkabbah/merkabbah.html steve hanauer and I have begun to call this 32 degree sphinx chin tilt to 4 dimensions (spins superposed nondestructively) of the tetracube into the dodec the sacred geometry of transcendance...
if implosion electrically is related to the feeling of love (identifying with an unpacking wave turning inside out...
../embedability is this something that you can send?
in the Jimmy Twyman controversy Bob Dratch speaks about...
supposing you really thought you loved someone who for some reason just could not let you love them.. (could not let you "send" love) now the old saying is you cannot receive love until you love yourself... now if someone were to geometrically analyze the psychology of who could love themselves, it MIGHT go something like this..
the koan is that "you only fall in love with pure intention",
which might mean that you look for someone whose intent lines you believe to be more shareable than your own, and then you have the privelege to letting them lead you because you believe in their intent...
unconsciously perhaps locating pure intent is correctly connected with the notion that only pure intent lines create memories which are infinitely shareable, distributable, and therefore (very desireably) immortal..
so you need to find pure intent to fall in love with if you want your memories to be harvestable.. storeable.. shareable...
now if you look at this picture from the receiver of this love viewpoint, here you are quaking thinking that this person who says they love you is about to dump their trust in you to imply that you their "lovee" must now be responsible to steer the intentions of their life... unconsciously then in order to trust yourself to LET someone love you, you must sincerely BELIEVE that inside YOU know the spin path to the center of all spins.. in order to be able to guide to the point of shareability, THEIR LIFE>...
you are threatened to know that you know what is pure.. from a geometric viewpoint, where many paths and errands meet IS the spin path to zero point.. IMPLOSION..
SO loving yourself, is to be able to steer recursion inside..guiding the electrical wave around the heart, back inside itself..inside out..the power spectra of which is embedability ..
See the global effort on embeding heartbeats
--now when we first played implosion sounds at the biodome, it seemed like we opened a little wrinkle in time, and in fact some bleeding in the wormhole would result..a kind of rushing in to die, before having sorted memory for whats shareable...
--now I can really feel for Bob Dratch, having I'm sure like many of us Atlantean memories of just these issues, saying you direct this implosion force without context at say India, and sure enough.. pandemonium breaks out upon the scene... the excacerbation of all their fantasies are called forth more quickly, GOOD AND BAD...
implosion IS bringing waves "to a head", not necessarily painless if those waves were not pointed shareably...so after we zapped them with all that love, their bomb fantasies blow up ahead of schedule...
the physics is like the pine braid path (of pure? intent..) which makes possible phase conjugate mirroring in laser optics from the place where imploding lasers phase annihilate, their spin paths make a pineal pine cone there,from here light waves bounce back.. in time, and back where they came from...literally... returning to true source...
now when Trevor Constable pointed a 60 degree (dodeca) conic orgone capacitor at clouds off the ship, he called it POWER TO PRECIPITATE.. if this is the electrical conic of the heart feeling love, then it would precipitate... fields would turn from vaporous to drop... vapor is a wave unfocused, a drop is molecular waves focused, or literally in a sense imploded...
first response from Bob Dratch Re: loving dialectic sending,18 May 1998 1, fr
Hey Dan - thanks, I love that you are willing to help me with this Dru issue... I know each of us love, each other, and we need to move past reactivity.
Implosion - YES, YES YES - that is the only KARMICALLY safe way. It is the only way to "be an example and not violate free will". Implosion will create a flow that is like a running brook, a current of flowing life energy that the watcher can jump in or pass by using free will. Implosion is the white magic way - Bailey quotes this often in determining of one has bumped into a Master or an Aspirant .
<< if implosion electrically is related to the feeling of love (identifying with an unpacking wave turning inside out...) ../embedability
is this something that you can send? >> Sending is done by templating implosion. Since we are in a sea of life - if we pull-in the sea diverts sending the waveforms into the current which then are not our will to change the current. It is our ethical right to choose what we wish to focus on. When we pull-in we induce the action of others to observe what in the stream is different, where the "what" is going and why, and why would someone want to pull something in? The "spirit" sees that something is valuable then, and voluntarily chooses to look to see why other aspects of spirit are "pulling in" something. Again this is totally free will activity. The INSTANT someone SENDS, that induces the phase reversal, the duplication of SENDING from the universe and chaotic events result, mostly negative, there is no stability.
<<here you are quaking thinking that this person who says they love you is about to dump their trust in you to imply that you their "lovee" must now be responsible to steer the intentions of their life...
>> Very good observation - that is the problem, the implied switch of personal values to those of the "SENDER" - how dares the sender implore on the receiver the implied value system! That is the issue I see with the folks that "beam" they assume that it is right to switch the belief system of others wanting to do other things...
<<SO loving yourself, is to be able to steer recursion inside..>> I could just simply say One KNOWS the feeling of being pulled, well, do not go pulling as that would be an invasive action, but focus on the feeling of the flow inwards. Which by the way was the only way I could communicate with Dolphin - the moment that I used any form of beaming or sending of conscious LOVE, they SPLIT faster than a blink in the eye. It confused me for a while, like how could Dolphin not want love? The key was to see that they did want love, but to invade another's space was rape even if the intent was to send love. BUT to pull in the feeling of love would in fact pull in those that are also -pulling in the feeling of love, and those that don't know what love is would feel the action of the TIDE moving with all these "unknown" situations (love being pulled in) that OTHERS for whatever reason would be doing (and not telling "sending"). Others then would by their nature of the agreement with GOD, HAVE to investigate, thereby trying the feeling for themselves. THIS IS THE ONLY ethical way to "send love", or anything for that matter. If one is creating a destructive pattern INSIDE, and then wishes to get another to participate, using the pulling in action (I like pulling in better than implosion cause implosion seems very "explosive sounding - uncontrolled") the destructive action would be self correcting as far as the universe goes - the destructive action would terminate. If now the action was not destructive and one convinced another by that other seeing that one was "pulling in" and the action was constructive, the universe would keep the organisms doing such, more and more organisms pulling in would induce a stronger pulling in action, not by RADIATION or sending or beaming, but by the simple action of the inflow.
<<guiding the electrical wave around the heart, back inside itself.. inside out.. the power spectra of which is ../embedability>> Too complicated, just use "see the flow pulling into the spirit"
<<so after we zapped them with all that love, their bomb fantasies blow up ahead of schedule...
>> I think some if not many folks did not get the idea of implosing. I think that many folks know exactly what SEND means, and when one sends, the EXPLOSION is the result as SENDING is EXPLODING, - implosion is pulling IN - if DRUNVALO wanted me to continue to feel good, and experience love love instead of hurt feelings he would "pull in" feelings of love, not tell people and others to from the heart chakra send out (explode) the energy out into the universe. These merkaba meditations start wit IMPLODE from the crown and the root (proper action) - BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT - then one goes through the breath out (explode) the energy which I feel results in the worst invasion of the universal action of love. One starts with love and goes into invasion. Isn't that a BAD energeti move, out ethics, teaching people to violate the free will of others by such an action (beaming one' personal merkaba into them? Did I get this wrong, when I hear send the energy out from the heart, I hear "beam".
The correct move would be to every explode action, to reverse that to an implode action. If one imploded the energy in the meditation, it would be more powerful and effective and spiritually pure than ANYTHING ever done before. It is a simple but important correction I feel.
<< from here light waves bounce back..in time, and back where they came from...literally... returning to true source... >> YES - that is the way to look at it. I feel that DRU with an EGO emphasizing focus does not, and the blown up out of proportion Jimmy/Greg nonsense was about noting the differences about the dangers of explosions, not implosions.
<< a drop is molecular waves focused, or literally in a sense imploded...>> YUP - Constable with the orgone cloud buster beamed NOTHING - the orgone water accumulator was a resonant cavity which needed to be refreshed, it is a puller-inner. In physics it is called the FASTER THAN LIGHT portion of Maxwells field equations. Or the wave which returns from the Omega point to the Source point. Looked at from present time, it is backward time going wave. My GodBox for instance uses both advanced and retarded waves to construct REALITY which is needed if one wants to truly tune in - one of the reasons I suggested that you try it on your computer. IMPLODING actions get back to re-inforcing feeling of love, not invasion, that has been my point all along.
Summary: <<implosion making nausea, even constipation..>> Reason, don't know how to stop, rehabilitate "stopping"... proper corrective action
<<implosion in pineal making soul>>good way to look at this...
<<implosion in dna braid enabling time travel>> partially right, need both alpha and omega in the proper relationships. GodBox does this. Drunvalo called my box evil...probably cause it takes ego out of the loop - individuals personally are not needed to supply their personal energy to act as an implosion template.
<<implosion speeding up the rate at which fantasies matriculate, even bad ones..>> only because it is the way of balancing the explosion which people all to often only focus on - proper explosion, implosing give someone CONTROL of reality. ONLY those that are willing to take on the KARMA of this UNIVERSE should dare to use such a GOD production. Done by an egocentric and we have HITLER/STALIN/ALEXANDER/CAESAR - done by a MASTER and we have Jesus/Sinanda/Buddah
<<implosion feeling vulnerable too soon, unsorted..>> out of balance explosing
<<implosion, off center tilting tectonics at atlantis...>> out of balanceexplosing
<<implosion in microwave making rain (60 degree capacitive cloud buster)...>>
out of balance explosing.
<<implosion in EKF as the harmonics of compassion>> out of balance explosing
Summary synopsis - it is a figure 8 pattern in reality called metaphysically the "WORD" which is universally balanced - harmonics above and below present time traveling from the source to the death (the alpha to the omega) dimensionally fractally implosive and expressive. THE vector action viewed from the individual participants point of view is ESSENTIAL to get such correct. Done incorrectly makes a false god (stuffed so full of ego it shuts down all other life) done correctly makes a master who can open the door to teach others. Love Bob
response to bob from dan , great dialog...in the little part about whether the god box does this...imploding or drawing in gently.. even..
I am reminded of a conversation we just had here about whether the embedability monitor ../embedability, was just another external gizmo here to teach love which must be done internally, and my little defense was, well if you catch technology just right, it looks back in on itself, and by connecting the external image (of heart fields gone musically embedding in this case)with the INTERNAL feeling associated with making that wave picture...then the gizmo self empowers by eliminating need for itself?!
from bob dratch: email@example.com writes:<< was just another external gizmo here to teach love which must be done internally,and my little defense was, well if you catch technology just right, it looks back in on itself, and by connecting the external image (of heart fields gone musically embedding in this case) with the INTERNAL feeling associated with making that wave picture... >>
I am sure it is only that people don't realize what is happening fully about the explosion implosion issues. All I want to do is to get people to understand that explosions are sending and sending is invasive.Invasive violates free will and I feel it is Luciferian...
Love, spoken "Implosively"
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Steve Kalinowski)
Greetings Dan, Some comments... in edited fashion below...
>Is the geometry of "sending" love, gently drawing in... or implosive?
>in the Jimmy Twyman controversy
>Bob Dratch speaks about...
>YES, YES YES - that is the only KARMICALLY safe way. It is the only
>way to "be an example and not violate free will." Implosion will create
a flow that is like a running brook, a current of flowing life energy that the
watcher can jump in or pass by using free will. Implosion is the white
>way - Bailey quotes this often in determining of one has bumped into a
>Master or an Aspirant (ego filled disciple).
>The INSTANT someone SENDS, that induces the phase reversal, the
>duplication of SENDING from the universe and chaotic events result,
>negative, there is no stability.
I like Bob's "drawing in" implosive/flow imagery... it's useful and
workable if we view conscious awareness as the actions of electrons in
dynamic systems, and btw, this agrees with my LightWork images... BUT..
><<guiding the electrical wave around the heart, back inside itself..
>inside out.. the power spectra of which is
>Too complicated, just use "see the flow pulling into the spirit"
... there is a hidden problem here with dismissing embedability and
simplifying it to a "one-way flow"... Richard Feynman says, (re: QED),
that just because you don't like a theory doesn't mean it won't work... a
good theory works whether you like it or not. The problem that I see
(with this particular piece of Bob's thought) is in the linear assumption
of an 'either/or' process... but in fact, there is a two-way
"this-and-this-too" flow in this process... when a bunch of electrons all
'spin' the same way there is an increased amplitude for photon emmisions
even though the electron 'charge' and 'mass' converge inwardly. It
doesn't matter what the predisposition of the electron is (individual
intent is precluded), the photon transfer presides (principles of least
action). Metaphor this upward in scale-- guiding the electrical heart
wave inward (recursiveness) emits light (radiates-- that's the biophotic
properties of DNA, and the piezo-electric properties of Calcium in cell
walls, etc), which will always effect neighboring systems (like it or
not)... the key to this 'external field effect' is _resonance and
entrainment_... yes, chaos emerges relative to some individual reference
point, like neural-nets bouncing about until finally settling down, but
that's the lovely dynamic of creation.. ie., that the ebb and flow of
interacting dynamics are both emergent and destructive simultaneously--
the complimentarity of the dance of electron and photon, the yin-yang of
QED. Sending love recursively inward (implosively) will also radiate...
it must, that's the way of Nature... but, what is it, actually, that gets
burned in the radiation other than the unyeilding ego (the individual
reference point which is relative to the chaos).... the True Self is
><< from here light waves bounce back.. in time, and back where they came
>from... literally... returning to true source... >> YES - that is the
way to look at
>it. DRU with his EGO does not, and the Jimmy/Greg nonsense was about
>explosions, not implosions.
....hmmmmm, as I participated in the Great Experiment (and led a large
group as well), I don't remember anything sounding like this at all....
The action was of personal centering, and affirming my (our) light
beingness, and singing this note in unison with others of like feeling...
(resonance and entrainment). How was this an 'imposition' upon others...
It was certainly a recursion inward of awareness (convergent electron
spin) which also radiated (photon emmision). Perhaps it also looked much
like the convergent coherence of laser. I don't recall any instruction to
"send love"... only to affirm that we "are love." Where did Bob's
impression of this come from? Has Dru mis-stated something about the
It sounds that Bob equates light emmision (radiating) with violating
another's Free-Will... but, as the photon is either absorbed or
scattered by any connecting electron in a random fashion, the electron
still seems to have the free will. Resonance absorbs, non-resonance
scatters... where is the violaton?
All in all, Bob's images are quite provoking, and for the most part very
telling.... yet, that little dualistic snag detracts from the whole... I
would like to see a more multiplexed view that agrees with QED.
Need a well lit path?? ......Burn Brightly!!
Steve Kalinowski, Msc.D., Ph.D., Usui Reiki Master
New Age Ministry, Richboro, PA http://members.tripod.com/~docsteve/
your comments on the sending vs receiving love, that tru embedding goes both ways,
are I think MOST useful..thank you
--I guess I always consider plus vs minus charge
to be embedding going both ways, but with
a net difference of suction vs pushing
in the vortex which becomes the net charge.. dan winter
tue 19..fr Sandy Troth <email@example.com>
Bravo! Thanks for publishing this dialogue. I believe it to be integral
to understanding the and flowing with the laws of life. Allow me to share a
recent personal experience that I believe illustrates this concept.
F.Y.I. - The bells that I heard 4/11/98 were related to personal events.
My husband had a heart attack shortly thereafter. He suffered no residual
damage. I was permitted in the ER with him. During that time I supported
him through reaching my own still/implosive point internally and maintaining
physical touch with him. I did NOT send to him. I did not try to interfere
with his process in any way, nor was my intent to alter his destiny or make
life/death choices for him in any way. I have loved this man for 33 years.
This was the most difficult challenge of my life!
He is back to work today, physically whole. However, he now,of course, has
begun to have kundalini surges and other experiences that are blowing him
away. He's stepped onto a new path - a very different way to experience this
thing we call "life." But that's another story. One that you know all too
Thanks again for sharing essential perspectives with those who are willing
to suspend their programmed belief systems long enough to grok. Namaste, Sandy
thank you sandy, I wonder if we should gently descriminate "sending" from simply
feeling love ...dan winter
reparations to do chez james...received the most recent installment of the "sending love" debate...thought i'd throw in the following quote i tripped over last night, right after reading your e-mail...
"transformation doesn't begin with saying to ouselves, "i should be
different". transformation begins with the realization expressed in the verse of the kesa:
"vast is the field of liberation." our very lives themselves are a vast
field of liberation, a formless field of benefaction. when we wear the
teachings of life, observing our thoughts, experiencing the sensory input
we receive in each second, then we are engaged in saving ouselves and all
sentient beings, just by being who we are." charlotte joko beck; "nothing special" .. different strokes for different folks! howg
begins mostly on the going inside .. first. lo phi! dan winter
i was starting to feel like that too...that this sending business is
another game at co-dependence/savior/i-know-and-they-dont deal. i also
have seen the studies in prayer that larry dossey, et al are doing and have
seen the wave charts of patients being prayed for and not.... and the spin,
if you will, is the in-tent-i-on. ( i just love those ions!) the ones that
were 'blindly' prayed for did show marked recovery rates. it felt in
alignment with their prayer perhaps...but i have also worked in hospice
with those whos prayers were to just get the hell out of here quickly and
so i prayed that their prayers be heard.....but mostly just held open space
inside my self for myself and others...i am cautious with prayer and with
holding something in specific for myself and for anyone else...it does and
has felt like invasion to me...i am one who does not have all the
pieces..even in the 'best' of intentions, it still feels
arrogant.......words hinder the writer here.
it has been an icky sticky slimy feeling when someone tells me that they
love me and they want that to make a difference in my life....i feel, what
silliness is this? just do it, dont bother me with expectations that i
will blow you out of your understandings with anyway....just go on and
enjoy the love for what it is....your love
we were facilitating a shamanic journey with 13 people last year when some
of what bob was saying came up. a participant wanted me to interact
withhim to 'draw' him out of his issue-cacoon. he wasnt able alone to come
to the truth he was wanting at the time, so he was claiming. i 'knew'
exactly (in my facilator's role) where he was stuck and the 'savior' wanted
to go there....but i saw in front of me the two circles whose centers are
defined by the others circumferences... oo.... overlaping in the vesica
piscis...in.the vesica that glowed in the middle i immediately saw the
destinctions of intenion, invasion and love (implosion and explosion).
when i am wholly in my complete and equal sphere, i will meet you halfway.
and i willdrink from the grail of christos in this meeting halfway and i
will call you into your fullness by meeting me half way...not in the
eclispe of my circle over or in any part of yours,.....etc. i stood in my
intension with this man and called him to comeout of and thru his issues to
MEET ME, fully, wholly, and aware of what was happening. i will not save
you for i will loose myself and disable you in the act. i want to call
myself and us all into the fullness of our potential...not live anylonger
out of the problem but out of the possiblilty of wholeness...and i dont
have a clue what that means....but when i hold the visica to guide me to my
edge and not past it as i am growing....and i hold the sacred geoemtry of
other to be interacting with me, some magic things occur. its visible and
alive and radical and unsafe in old ways and it works! end of
the-rapy...end of the rape.
the vesica held and healed. the circles centers were defined by unity.
he was not able to meet me halfway and i did not go into his space to
rescue him. he knew exactly what was happening and he defined himself in
the process. it was amazing. we all learned so much by that. we do
exactly what we are able to do at the time and that is real. it is clean.
the particular issue that he was wanting to come out of was made whole by
this exercise and the process of being really seen was profound..
i felt the moray of the two circles intermingling and the instance coming
out of the heart...like your 10 spins of the gm...real or not, it works in
the heart for me...and to stay right there in the center with it, not
wavering in the sentiment of anything. just there. period..
(i add that when i am using radical sexual tantric exploration and am using
the 10 phi's as the buddah field of implosion....i haev to find the
fibernochi to come back into history on....history being my body as i knew
it to be before this experience of defusion and fusion . i have found
myself in an inner ear spin of dizzies for days after on of these
encounters without the out of sink numbers to find the golden brick road,
the physical, back into me am still working on the grounding process once
i let go to become funtional again....any suggestions?)
i feel yu can see the vesica, wish i had drawing in this email but you know
the art. any wobble destroyed the prayer, the edge, teh agreement to
interact and see. this is what i felt with bob
s note...this is what i felt when i did not participate in the model that
was sent in the' india connection' and i see what the reprocussions are.
the conditions are too rare now for any deviation of play, of any nonsence
of in-tent-i-on and integrity. the chaos is too sensitive and our skin is
too thin to hide anything from anything anymore...like it was ever, but
especially now. we are not babies...we are gnostics in school. and are
capable of knowing this in spite of our educations and fragile little
egos...all of us! we are engaged whether we choose to be or not .
i appreciate your missives.
Next below is a major contribution from William Buehler, one of the chief templar fabric of time repair group out of Creston, works with "Thoth" .. (shades of Rennes.. and all)
fr bill, "William S. Buehler" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
The subject includes a few ideas about the Oranur detonation and also the
magnetic field. Sinclair addees might look at the last paragraph re the
1398 Expedition. Mention of the Middin Chamber in the Pyramid. Grid theory.
Hi Dan, Just a few remarks in a hurry, related to your recent message ...am
clobbered now with a seminar coming up Saturday (starting a new group and
also trying to explain to the two existing groups what we've been doing).
I'm also getting help from Thoth in the next phase of putting together the
Light body (composite) blasted from the time implosions.
1. RE projecting love to others without their consent. This makes me
nervous. Love is experienced at many levels with many expressions much less
than pure harmonics of divine Grace. It is a natural carrier wave that
MIGHT overprint with less worthy unconscious intent or even conscious
"do-gooder" codes ...the old story of karmic interference, you know what I
mean. Our group merkaba depends on the clarity of (1) the SELAH (Divine
Essence in the Silence) or the "Sat" aspect in Sat-chit-ananda" and (2) the
GRACE factor which I would connect with the "ananda" aspect. We emphasize
the Selah prior to the Grace, the Grace eminent from the Void. I would
trust that only to some degree, depending on how it was then used in a
non-intrusive mode when coupled with intent. No problem in a matrix of
groups using a shared, self determined intention. The merkaba would then
become more of the nested golden ratio spiral generated Grail or Reshel
format you are familiar with.
This gets more technical when using the Layooesh or prime pillar ("Pillar
of Light") which bridges two membranes: Maha-Ratri (half light side of the
Ascension gate) through the Star Grail and into the Maha-rhim membrane
(full light side). This is, according to Thoth, the "Skittuim" pillar. It
includes both sides of the membranes as well. The pillar forms the "Field
of Deliverence" from the Oritronic half light spectrum into the full light
Metatronic realm. This Pillar is complemented by a second resonant pillar:
the Avatalkim pillar. This is the "Golden Pillar of individuation which
aligns to each soul and its projected bio-system (ie its physical bodies,
ren/khat/ka, I assume; WSB) that is in resonance with the dynamic of the
Star Grail. This pillar represents the 'Individual Extension' of the 44:44
Star Grail dynamic to that Individual." (Thoth's quote via Revs.
Maia/Simeon Nartoomid). Thoth also describes the Layooesh (beyond Hurtak's
description) "...the Lay-oo-esh as 'an inter-dimensional columnar field
projecting from the Greater Universes into the Lesser Universes for the
purpose of communicating and transferring consciousness of the Absolute, or
My approach is to duplicate the same vibration when connecting agencies,
trying to build a Metatronic or full Light mechanism both in the Pillar as
well as associated "Heap" (Gen 31:45-32:2). I don't wish to involve lower
levels but realize that neither our group(s) OR the other (IF PHYSICAL) is
probably working at the appropriate level. So I like to work between groups
via inter-dimensional mentors. I think that your system is pointed in the
right direction but should include in the intention to work only at
Metatronic levels regarding any project. At least that is what we are
trying to do but through assistance by angelic, hierarchical mentors. In
practical terms we first get to the best level we can which very frequently
uses the Layooesh process. Once at level we go with the flow and team up
with the mentors to go with whatever project they have for us depending on
our level, degree of clarity, etc.. The geometric group schematic enhances
the group function.
Work in these levels transcends time. Any time jumping would probably
better be between continua rather than in this fallen continuum unless
working on hierarchical/Solarian projects WITH their agencies. Most of our
phenomena is pretty mind blowing but most of it is bumping the high
Oritronic curtain or Maha-Ratri membrane. We're working on it. Use of the
Layooesh involves two/three more levels or forms beyond the double tetra
Key of David. We've used them but with mixed results. It appears that they
will work by phasing in central fields of the SELAH and GRACE combined,
well beyond mechanistic or geometric formats. We combine them. The other
two forms involve the ENNEAD energetic and then the star pentahedron. I do
NOT adjust CCW spin rate but will adjust CW (against the CCW) spin to
balance group members when they are falling out of their chairs. Rarely
Putting the collective heart into an internet scenario should be checked
with hierarchy. Logically it forms an "entrainment" unity and would
ostensibly be limited related to what a few groups could do at Metatronic
level. But it might be a good idea in reaching a number of persons as well
as a range of elemental aspects that are in that plateau phase. Again,
would it naturally attract persons into a realm that could be overlaid by
some of the other junk in internet? I don't have any idea but it seems to
be worth asking. My feeling is that it is a great idea but requires some
careful control including at the hierarchical level.
2. RE the Oranur Wave from the detonation in India and which direction the
wave is going (seems to moving both directions). My "spin" on this is that
there is a nested core of Platonic grids in the planet's center resembling
the illustration in Lawlor's SACRED GEOMETRY (pg 107) which provides
formats for the Planetary Mind/Racial Mind to function in. This grid core
also is supplemented by the RHOMBIC ENNEACONTRAHEDRON linked via the
pentadodecahedron. The RE is Metatronic, made up of Golden Ratio rhombuses
(Eye of Ra, L-Gates working on implosion) and thus it resonates directly
with much more than simple gates ...a primary creation matrix. Most people
do not know of this grid and fewer use it due to so few working in the
Metatron ...still, it is now a primary grid due to the well advanced
continuum shift. The Core grid (1) projects static comparative nodes/grids
to the surface, the grids most people are most familiar with, (2)
duplicates temporary versions of itself in different combinations to
"track" solar/cosmic events (such as a passing comet) directly, and (3)
tracks the Sun's Atoma (spiritual center) constantly for direct spiritual
linkage. The Tetra does this latter deal in keeping with its Key of David
(Rev 3:7-13), Pillar/tube, kobal sphere role. (Examples in Denderah ceiling
Boats (merkabas) of Ra, Glastonbury triangle: Tor, nose of annubis, Cadbury
Hill.) The magnetic field provides the memory function while the grids do
the "thinking", perceiving.
The Core Grid spins as a unit with the duplicate matrices doing their own
spin as per their assignments, meanwhile passing the processed info up to
the surface. The Core spin cycle is daily. The noticable effect is an
apparent duplication of like events around the planet occuring at about the
same latitude within a few days. This is noted in very important events
having heavy impact in the Racial/Gaia mind(s). The Core Grid can rotate in
the same manner you rotate the torus to get a specific "CRP" (Critical
Rotational Position) to create a discreet tone or chord (you see as the
Hebrew letter, a good parallel). The torus connection is excellent due to
the Flashing Universe dynamic: the Platonic spherical form implodes
constantly through the Neutra Mode pulling itself inside out to cyclically
create the torus (the causal mind relative to the spherical form). Thus we
would get the impression, by seeing these events popping up in all
directions, that there is a confused "drift" incorrectly correlating the
events with wind drift or planetary spin.
3. RE the nausea in implosion experience. This is caused, along with
dizziness and weakness, with inept time gating (implosion). The inner ear
is affected, generating the rest. Happened to me a few times; once I was
shagged off to the ER with sirens and flashing lights thinking it was a
heart attack. It was an acute vertigo attack. Thoth explained it later,
correlating it to my recent life in Rennes le Chateau where I was doing
that kind of thing. The incidents were simply triggered by Wood's GENISIS
diragrams of the Reshel grid used in the area (which are accurate; his
cosmology is not Metatronically aligned however ...comets and crap).
Thoth gave us the Eye of Ra (phi rhombus) to use to clear up the groups'
time glitches but STRONGLY ADMONISHED (!!) that the process of implosion
should ONLY be used to ground the Metatron. He gave us some very specific
procedures with it to avoid damage, confusion, et al. Recall the event I
mentioned where the San Francisco group leader imploded her group (before
we knew there was such a thing) and physically removed her group from this
continuum ...the physical room, doorways never existed. Her merkabah was
still protected so no damage was done, the parameters relaxed as an object
lesson, but her people were pretty sick during the "ride" (extreme nausea,
I don't know how you are using the implosion technique but I highly
recommend good communications with competent innerplanes mentors before
using anything, for instruction and monitoring. My light body is severely
damaged, has been for a few thousand years, due to implosion events. If the
LP-40 went now I wouldn't make it since the bodies can't download the
Metatron. Hence the big push.
Due to the Gizeh Pyramid faux paux, opening/trashing the seals before their
time, LP-40 has been advanced without the Hierarchy's ok ...physical
humanity, free will, has thus advanced the whole shebang and the carefully
orchestrated programs for getting max people through LP-40 are crashed and
being rebuilt. Great spinning of cosmic wheels, trying to make the best of
a can of worms. Pretty stupid to mess with seals, particularly in the
planet's key temple, but there you have it. When have we ever done anything
smart? Anyway, where we thought we had some fairly good programs well in
hand they're pretty much down the loo. Changes on top of changes. Reminds
me of my Navy days ..."if you can't take a joke don't join the club."
4. RE the Onanur damage to the magnetic field: disruption and memory
loss/burnout, I don't have any Hierarchical perspective on it but simple
logic suggests a possible upside to the flail. We know the mag field is
failing and the memory loss with it, obviously layed on anticipating the
LP-40 shift and the required purging. The OWL (former Montaukers) tried to
record the field to reboot it after the crash, in the ash and trash levels
comfortable for the Grays, etc., but the good guys were a jump ahead of
them. (Gives us a feel for the importance the opposition is giving trying
to perpetuate this continuum by rebirthing the same shoddy Oritronic
memories.) We know of India's high calling with her many pure spiritual
schools but also of her degrading much of their vector through astral house
devas and all. Further, much of the best thinking/systems are now overtaken
by Metatronic valences and are useless baggage. If their local magnetic
memory could be seriously disrupted then the best/clearest leaders could
"get the Oritronic Monkey out of their heads" and upgrade the area in the
Racial Mind and World Soul. So...what the OWL might believe: "let's blow
away India's memory, confuse the thinking, scare the Hell out of everyone
and cripple the evolutionary flow" might just be condoned by the Lords of
Karma, et al, with the thought: "Great, let 'er blow, the loss is trash
anyway and in the right area."
You might have forgotten, the "Magnetic Temple" is now in the Atlantic with
its axis approaching Greenland's southern cape. The MT is a large area in
the magnetic field that is programmed with the Great Pyramid geometry. The
mag field flux angle of 51-51 was at the Plateau during the 11 Feb 2900 BCE
date when cosmic/solar/galactic axes alligned. The mag field loaded an
illumination program into the MT then and has been precessing it westardly
since. The MT is the main interface dynamic between the Racial and GAIA
minds, thus a major factor in creating the World Soul (combination of
Humanity and Devachan, the Devachan being generated from the GAIA mind).
Regarding the Metatronic Reshel grids, Grail dynamic etc., the MT transited
the Ruta position (49N, 29W) during the Henry Sinclair expedition to the
new world in 1398 CE. The Expedition sailed over the position (not written
history, my own reading on it confirmed by soul interview via Phyllis
McCoy) and triggered the Gates into Ruta (which had not fallen with this
continuum) thus "no-timing" the projects rebooting of the Reshel (Grail)
grids both in Europe and the Americas. My idea is that this action, on a
higher level yet, also upgraded the MT program as well as providing
downloading into this present critical transition period. The Pyramid
socket positions in the MT span from central Africa into the Caribbean off
Jamaica. We note that this spans virtually all of old Atlantis. Most
importantly the MIDDIN CHAMBER or heart of the Pyramid went over Ruta at
that time. This small chamber is at 44.49672769 degrees or the cosine of
the Judah Tribe in Numbers in the Jewish scriptures (the sequence giving
the true astrological sectors). This angle from the sockets gives us the
chamber position. It is also the same in the Reshel grid and can be
duplicated in architecture, earth grids, and groups. More is available on
this chamber's function if you wish it. (Thoth's info via Revs. Maia and
I suppose all this confuses the issue more than helping it along. But they
are ideas that might be pursued by persons more qualified than I am.
On Winter's page: sending love. Since love or one mind IS - exists as a
condition of being human, then all that can be sent is access or unblocking
or permission to be human. Is this also the same structure as light: is
light an unblocker to the balanced field of energy [EMF?]. Thus we are
already within the fields, so to think of light and other "forces" as
acting or doing something would be "missing the mark". If we are within the
field of contradicting - cancelling complementary 180deg out of phase
[balanced] non-flowing, then light or other "energy" may be considered as
phase adjustment process. If this "field" is the same as consciousness,
then the phase adjustment is "regestering" in consciousness. This conscious
process has the same processing structure as the use of the laser [source
of coherence] in holography. It is the receiver [material that combinds
with itself] of the interference pattern in a phase code that we
experience as the hologram, and this same coherent source reconstructs -
reMembers the original information recorded as the hologram.
Thus "sending love" as if it is a power or material leads to incorrect
procedures since everyone is self organizing and thus has their own unique
path to self realization of their human nature which is already sharing
itself as if all humans existed within a single virtual skull.
[Traditionally this "skull" is represented as cathredral, church, temple,
and others. The new representation is of everyone connected to virtual
neurons within this new neual network called the internet.]
Thus the variety of access blocks may range from blocking contradiction,
[not contradiction blocking but trying to stop necessary contradictions
which leads to run-away feedback] to holding on [codependancy: love at all
costs.], to so many others within the alphabet called "emotion" or the
larger alphabet called "intellect" or the smaller called "sensation".
When we restrict the alphebet of intellect to only a few letters of the
emotional alphebet we cannot access the map of our complete human nature
and then cannot access "love" except within the restricted context of
"family". Given that the "font size" of the older alphabets is much larger
[more powerful] and thus more "attractive - attracting" that the "mere"
intellect [as put by so many that participate in runaway feedback]. With
the [at least] double number of letters in the intellectual alphabet, so
many more subtle and gentle aspects [fractals at the next "scale" of
resolution] can be shared and resonated.
Dualism again reares its head: we get so involved in the "larger" energy of
emotional that we represent "intellect" as being emotionless. Right away
this reveals the failure to access the intellegence of the emotional
alphabet and the resonance of the intellectual alphabet. In Buddhist
literature this intellectual resonance is called "eternal delight", and
maybe "agappe" in the West. Is it not also "curiosity" and "play" and
invention and something it seems only humans develop: HUMOR?
Details upon request.
fr dan:"intellegence of the emotional
alphabet and the resonance of the intellectual alphabet."
I like... some relation between their symmetry crossed the life of the long, to the life of their short wave. lo phi, dan
I can't begin to tell you how surprised I was to read the "debate" as this is
a conversation Scott McKinney and I have had many times - yet we don't talk
about it since it doesn't conform to the "love and light" game. When somebody
tells me they are going to pray for me, I just figure it is their "need", not
mine and brush it off mentally.
When I came to the part about the dizziness, I really was shocked. This has
happened to me, to the point of laying on the bathroom floor for two days!
But, I never mentioned it to anyone as I thought it reflected "poorly" on my
spirituality. I knew I wasn't ill, I just couldn't get control back so I
sucked on ice cubes and waited until it passed.
Thanks for sharing with me. I tend to isolate myself in reading, meditation
and contemplation. Bette
Re: Thanks for the IDebate
From: BInman9453 <BInman9453@aol.com>Thu, 21 May 1998 08:01:35 EDT
. It was such a relief to read the postings as at the time, I
didn't understand what was happening. I was so dizzy that I couldn't open my
Keep me in the loop - it is deeply appreciated. This discussion is going to
cause some explosions. One man that I sent it to really flew into a rage
about it, my computer is still smoking from his e-mail. He is also
experiencing a liver problem.....h,m,m,m, some connection going on. bette
carla sent a note about ET problem mentioning Eliz Clair Prophet..
the issue about whether God images were self empowering arose: (dan wrote)
thanks for your thoughtful response, including eliz claire prophet
trying for more clarity,
it seem we are in great agreement on the
alien parasitism situation..
I resonate well with the andromedan info from
the current books about alien agenda do not seem
to deal with both the et and our problem of
how dna gets ensouled, and the limitations of
technogy without emotion self empowered to do that...
how does eliz claire prophet respond to the spreading
criticism that when st germain learned how
eating gold power articficially makes
astral body sustainable, and now trapped there
must milk human groups like
eliz claire prophet's for astral food
(their stirred up emotion during her group rites..)
thus also preventing those humans for
truly in stillness eating their own
ecstact and spinning up their dna..
it is a viewpoint that must be dealt with because
dozens of spiritual groups
are learning these solara
stargates are really astral bleeding for
lo grade et parasites..
a certain clairvoyance can really see
who is eating whom during
what 90% of human ritual activity appears to be
astral milkhouse for lo grade ET's..
it is not pleasant but seeing thru this
is like noticing that christ is the name
for the principle of how waves crystalize
by the symmetry of sharing, that principle
is immortal, and it is electric when you inhabit
all attachment to the personality ideas around christ
and god fall like mud from the mould..
getting to pure principle requires feeling love
from all waves which embed and become
self aware, naming the self-organizing potential of waves
god is tricky because personality notions
are very wasteable because they do not live past
a few lifetimes..
if you noticed you were mostly the way your
dna chose to whisper and self replicate,
would you then call your dna god
because it was so self aware when it whispered in your
ear (song in the blood, sang real,sangraal),
or would you be more empowered know how it
became so sutainably self organizing thru time
by it acheivement into recursion geometry...
(willed mutation of the species by satprem)
then you would speak back, in its own language
when your inner voice whispered..
in the language of pure principle, minus
god personality baggage which always falls
back into very UNimmortal gender stereotypes etc..dan winter
Subject: EarthHeart Wed, 20 May 98 13:31:49 CDT, Mnoa or Brad <email@example.com>, To: firstname.lastname@example.org
Hi! Win, (*________*), I would like to share with you something I am not sure is related to
this project Dan Winter has going or not. It is a vision I had about 2 or 3
weeks ago, or maybe it was yesterday, funny how time has no meaning now days
This is my heart-version of harmonics:
I saw me step out of my body, (I was in my Light body, I am
thinking, as it was like a transparent me stepping out), and then I stepped
into another persons body, to show them I could really feel what they could
feel. (They, could actually see my transparent self step out of me and into
them.) As I was seeing this picture, I was also gettin impressions of the
priciples of free-will also. I asked first if I could show them I could feel
what they feel and show them proof of me being able to do this. Now I step
into them, and I can feel all of them and all the experiences they have ever
felt or experienced, it was like I had their replay of their life before me
and in me at the same time. So, next I step back out of their body and back
into mine. I then ask if they would like to step into my body and feel what
I feel, which if they decide they would like to, then I can thru my heart
channel cosmic energy waves, let them feel the TRUTH of who they are and
thru this they are free to choose to go back to illusion,(which is fear and
seperativeness) or freed of the limitedness
thru the unified field of LOVE. In my thinking, this is like: If I can FEEl
what YOU FEEL, and You can FEEL what I FEEL then are we not ONE and the same.
Win, this is so great, now others will have the chance to really
FEEL and know what they are FEELING without a doubt, they will have the
proof before their eyes, in this new technology game they are working on
going Global with. I only hope my vision will be a confirmation to others,
that this is very possible . I am a sensitive and empath, so I can FEEL what
others feel, I just wish others could feel this wonder-filled cup that
runneth over in my heart to and for others, as well as I can feel their pain
and suffering, in which case they would have no pain and suffering if they
could feel the cosmic LOVE that I feel that flows thru me. That was my major
wish, when I came incarnation at this time, is for others to feel this
beautiful LOVE that is FREE and Heals and perfects everything.
I am still not real sure what this vision was all about, but it went
right along with the information I gathered about bio-feedback and training
the heart and mind to intend what you want to feel. When I was reading about
this, my heart was doing dances, it was so happy and elated. I wanna play
this game. (*___*)
Also somewhere in what I read the word cohersion, had a special
meaning for me, that I also wanted to share. This, I believe was telepathic
information I recieved a few months ago. Light workers are cohersing the
darkness to the LIGHT, it is not like how the dark forces used this to
coherse the masses into the slumber tho. It is more like we are courting the
darkness into the light by the use of gentleness, kindness and compassionate
understanding. How could anyone resist this foursome. (*___~) We are
creating a vacuum of LOVE so powerful it will melt the hardest of HEARTS.
Win, please share this with others, if you feel it would be appropriate., By Their Fruits You shall FEEL and
KNOW them. ASTARA (MONA)
for making shareable your lovely dream!
it is so helpful to give a voice to articulate that your heart is dancing..
to articulate is to turn the awareness back in,
the sequence of (articulated) folds..
so it recurs..
interesting your somehow merging
the words coherence
coherence is when all the waves line up like soldiers
phase locking in step (a laser),
recursion is when that lock step is geometry
of PHI nest instead of times 2 nesting..
(the waves never interfere destructively)
sustainable coherence must recur...
so I guess "cohersion" would be a most persuasive kind of
perhaps it sounded too close to coersion..
on the gentleness possible if we enter the white light:
are we all white light? fr dan w
if color is symmetry tilt arrival angle of photon
donut at phase tilt calibrating retinal cone,
white light would be complete inventory
arrival of ALL tilts or phase angles of arriving
torus photons at once. They summate to white
as long as element of each of the 7 tilts
of tetra are included (rainbow), and they
sort to that on emergence from focal phase lock..
(prism as traffick jam, sorts for shareable tilt
in tetra phases)
to say white, then does not specify optically
whether light enveloped packet wave donuts are
entering or emerging from
the sort (implosion) which
creates susainabiity (immortality)
white light which lazes
phase coherent and then
embeddably geometrically recursive.(implosive)..
the wave then penetrates..
(see phase conjugate mirror nonlinear optics)
QUALITY of white is issue, dan
WE ARE ALL ONE.
WHEN ONE IS HARMED, ALL ARE HARMED.
WHEN ONE IS HELPED, ALL ARE HELPED.
THEREFORE, IN THE NAME OF MY BEING, WHICH IS ONE WITH ALL THERE IS,
ONE WITH THE MASTERS AND WITHTHE CHRIST,
I ASK FOR ONLY THAT WHICH IS THE HIGHEST GOOD OF ALL CONCERNED TO HAPPEN HERE,
AND I GIVE THANKS THAT THIS IS DONE.
(This was taught to me as THE LAW OF ONE back in 1968, and works
wonderfully in allsituations. Inner and outer since it is based on the
unity which prcedes and is the basis of the duality.)
Dan, If I send anger to you, will it phase invert so that you will receive love?
dan winter wrote: manfred,
in the way I have oversimplified your waveforms,
(in a way you don't agree with)
anger and hate have points of maximum pressure
at roughly 1/3 or 1/7 into duration ref How to Touch (to love), and braidingDNA
(it was on how to determine end point that you felt
my oversimplication broke down)
now if it were to turn out there was something to
this little idea that
you start a simple interference cascade by
cascading a simple ratio down a wave,
when you emote..
then the ratio cast down the wave by anger
would specifically be maximally destructive
wave interference, in the sense that waves
BEATING with themselves at that ratio,
PRODUCED INTERENAL AND EXTERNAL
WAVE CANCELLATION MOST RAPIDLY..
now IF the childishly romantic idea that the
point of maximum pressure in the love
wave nears .618, THEN that wave interfering
with itself, could cascade both inward and out
--if any of this means anything, then it MIGHT be
true that perfect love (a wave mechanic inviting in
all of spin) (phi spiral implosion per the email earlier)
would receive the approach
of arriving DESTRUCTIVE wave interference
WITHOUT being perturbed, TO THE EXTENT
the constructive wave was PERFECT..
I believe that what would bounce back IS EXACTLY
MODELED BY WHAT RETURNS FROM A
PHASE CONJUGATE MIRROR, in quantum optics. (self organization by implosion? eliminating all "phase aberation" ref Bob Zawada, Roswell Park Cancer Institute, Buffalo)
(There I believe that what happens at the wave annihilation
point in the non-linear medium, is the pine coning of
perfect implosion as depicted in the first pictures on my web site
>From that complete phase correction, AND total perfect
not bounce off, but RETURN TO SOURCE EXQUISITELY IS WHAT HAPPENS..
--so now you have heard my little fantasy.. I would be very anxious to know your further thoughts.
thank you, dan winter
Re: actual wave map to send love transforms anger?,fr Life In Balance <email@example.com>
Actually, I have a true story about love transforming anger. There was an
old blind woman living with her grandson in Colorado. Her nearest neighbor
was 3/4 mile to the east, i mile to the west a nd slightly over one mile to
the south. She was known for her kindness, strength and ability to be
nonjudgmental. I was told this story by a midwife who delivered her
grandson, some14 years before this event. One night very late, she heard
someone enter her cabin, then make his way to the first bedroom that was
hers. Already up and alert, the intruder found her waiting at the foot of
the bed in pitch darkness when he entered. She immediately put out her hand
and touching the intruder told him that at this late hour he surely must be
in desparate need of kindness and offered hgim shelter and food. She told
him that she would give him a place to sleep in the kitchen, but in
exchange, he was not to disturb her grandson who was asleep. She said he
was so moved by her kindness that he was trying to hold back a sob. Feeling
even more maternal instinct for this mab, she took him to her kitchen,
clooked him a meal, made his bed and returned to her own room to wait.
Eventually, she slept. In the early pre dawn hours, she was awakened by the
sound of banging at her door. It was the police. This man, though he washed
her dishes and folded his bedding before he left her cabin, was escaped
from a hospital for the criminally insane and had brutally murdered all
three of her neighbors and their families. When the police questioned her
as to why she felt she had been spared, she answered simply," Why, he
couldn't kill someone who offered him love instead of fear."
Just like I tell my self defense students. The best way to not look like a
target is to learn to replace fear with strong images that evoke feeling
loved and valued.
Do not strive to observe the Light, strive to become the Light, otherwise
you maintain the illusion that you are somehow separate from others and all
of creation. This illusion is the cause of all mistakes and all suffering.
Be well & joyful! A ton of LoPhi, Rave
Re: 'Broken Love' ... Hi Dan,
Thanks for the visions and views on the reverberationf of love.
Herewith some of the mechanics of the transfromation of 'love into anger',
which is not about love, but about the transfromation itself;
(including the bias in those who imagine they 'send love').
What about this:
The core point is: rates are ratio's.
When anger 'turns into' love, the ratio is changed.
It is not the change in love which is seem, but a flaw in the
In this, a role is played by the multiplicity of the compression
transfromation itself; especially the multiplicity (inner coherence) by
which it is characterised. (Also when this is broken.)
Cf. the 2 spirals of the DNA, which with a different point of perspective
can be seen as 12; cf. the Fourier harmonics by which a stage coach
cartwheel on TV is seemingly turning backward (in time, as anachronism
If people send love, it vibrates the fractal; as a whole.
Love is best compared to a white noise spectrum, and it will resonate
anything and everything; love is the principle of integratedness,
connection in action; 'wetness and sharing power' as you, Dan, call it.
It is thereby also invariant to transformation. (As is the Phi-spiral. (if
Imagine that the model of the Phi-spiral describes this transformation;
then there is a wide end of the funnel (cf. the surface of the ocean),
which is receptive for any and all frequencies.
And a narrow 'other end', where the (compressed) signal 'comes out'. (Now
able to 'stand on its own'.)
Thus, there are singularities, Passage Ways, through which it is possible
to go from one reality to another, by turning the reality/realisation
'inside out'. (The taboos of society, anomalies of physics, singularities
of mathematics, black holes of astronomy. (It is all the same.))
This can be modeled by a vortex (as more 'visual' form that a phi-spiral):
it is wide open on one end, and very focued at the other. It touches on a
flat plane surface, as well as one point. It has the full spectrum wide
wave band selectivity and sensitivity, and becomes more and more specific,
into ultimately one unique point.
Normally, i.e. ideally, the Vortex or Phi-spiral would describe the
transition of energy under preservation of coherence. It would bound any
specific (Closed System) reality; and connect it to the (Open System)
universe. (Cf. The Maelstrom at the edge of the world in Viking lore.)
At it, the wide band spectrum is converted into and through the
transcendental point into a meta-virtual point: Love is turned into
(As this takes place the energy goes from one dimension into the next,
creating the link between heaven and earth, or metaphysics and physics;
whichever way around.)
Now .. imagine that the Vortex is 'broken': the transition can not be made.
As a result (as the Phi Spiral shows) the frequency
tranformation/compression cascade is interrupted. Instead of following the
fractal into ever greater coherence, the vibrations 'scatter' on the
'fracture' line; Viz. a scatter matrix (in physics) or the sparks of a
diamond (a system of attuned fracture lines).
The (geodesic) propagation lines do not 'line up', and the process of
compression or unpacking 'cracks up.
What happens, in the Phi-Spiral model, is a change of frequency or rate,
thus ratio: instead of continuing the fractal acceleration (thus
compression), the vibrations do not intensify as they regroup and compact,
but fracture within themselves: same as diffraction/refraction of waves
over a barrier. or light over any edge. But in this case they are not
simple waves but embraided waves, as you, Dan have described.
Viz. the diffraction of a braided wave: it is a 'braided' fracture (in a
way an unpacking/explosion of some kind): the waves which are in the
process of being compressed, find they 'miss a step' for the next
compression stage (cf. staged rockets in blast off), and in a way fall into
an 'informational gap'. (Cf. a gap in a wave guide for radio waves; or a
fracture in a ruby of a pumped laser.)
Practically it means that the system runs into an Open End, long before the
compression transformation itself was complete; the signal reflects of the
Open End (as it would have done if it had reached the end of the Vortex;
where normally it would have 'shot of into space'). (This is the principle
of acceleration-release used in logarithmic horns for sound amplification,
but now understood in reverse sense.)
It is also seen in the transition 'through the Daath node' in the KaBaLaw;
or the 'navigation through the Black hole'. Buddhism knows it as the
transition into/through the centre of the wheel of karma.
It is the fine tuning of the turning of the Phi-spiral, which creates the
convergence by which the signal can be so coherently compressed that it
will converge into a node. In a way it thereby 'collapses on itself, and
becomes so coherent that it can continue to exist 'as a single point' (a 4D
soliton), when it reaches the limiting end of the Phi-spiral. At that point
it opens up into the dual/counter domain; and can continue to exist as an
autonomous 'unit/unity there. (Containing in it all the in-formation from
the domain from which it came.
(As it 'shoots' out at the end of the transformation vortex/spiral, it
enters into the inverse domain; as e.g. when the transition from physics to
metaphysics is achieved, or inverse.)
It is that integrity, and autonomy, which characterises for examle the
nature of our soul. (A bindu of consciousness in this physical domain.)
It is that compression which creates the empowerment of the process; and
the 'creation' of 'newness' in that 'other' domain, 'after' the 'inversion
of reality'. It is by the completeness of that compression that (like a
acorn contains the oak) the complete unfolding is possible with the
information from that other domain, making it viable for that (now
autonomous node) to 'exist' 'at the other end' of the
(In a way this is how the soul is projected into this space: the spirit,
it's Open System basis, is inverted in this way to 'appear' as a 'point'
(Bindu) within a person (see my paper "The Architecture of the Soul"). It
is the mathematical equivalent of the inversion of a space into a point.
(Anthroposophists us the terms intensive and extensive points.))
When this normal process of embraiding, compression, and coherencing is
disrupted (when a vortex is broken, as described above), then the
transformation itself is disrupted too. Instead of reaching the
mathematical logical 'end' (when the compression and embraiding has been
maximised. and all coherence is internalised), the compression 'breaks
Giving 'break of products', 'informational debrif, Fragments of
Where all wave frequencies otherwise would have been integrated, parts are
now left out. There are blinds spots in the informations, thus holes in the
coherence, thus gaps in the consciousness.
The break-off of compression is also always at the point where the
compressed energy 'breaks off': The spectrum of the released signal
/reflects/ the flaw of the 'compression vortex where it was processed.
It means that the flaw in the vortex, and the flaw in the compression, and
the energy losses in the 'virtual particle' are all but different
expressions of the same.
Where ideally the compression would be complete, and the resulting Virtual
Point would be intact.
(It would be recursive, up to the point of "not losing any energy"; an
informational 'black hole', a reality in itself', a 'seed' of
consciousness', a Luciferian loop of light'; a unit consiousness; a
'representation of god.)
(The Torus which you describe, Dan, as model of a free travelling soliton
wave, is but a 3D representation of a free travelling 4D point.)
Po: It is this coherent 4D point which is the aim of life; once wholeness
is achieved the soul is so coherent that it can now integrate any frequency
and continue to exist.
But the transformation in the 'broken vortex' produces a 4D point which is
incomplete; it 'leaks', as there are some vibrations which is can not
contain; because it failed to undergo that phase of compression as that was
where the Phi-Vortex 'broke off'.
It is not complete in itself.
Now, take this image, of a white noise full range spectrum entering such a
phi-spiral, which is broken.
And realise that, in the Phi -spiral model, a rupture of fracture will mean
that the geometries do not align.
It means that there is a change in angle, thus in phase angle, with a
corresponding phase shift; that is what refraction and diffraction is all
Any reflection (which is the logical result) must be understood as a
inversion between Inner and Outer processing: where the energy was in a
process of compaction compression, it now suddenly no longer 'coagulates'
but 'dissolves'. (The alchemist used the terms 'coagulo' and 'dissoluo'
rather than 'compression' and 'unpacking'.) Self and non-self become
con-fused. The flaw is 'exposed'.
In terms of geometry the change in phase angle reflects onto a change in
phase relationship in the signal being compressed.
(Return to the notion of the 2 strand DNA, which is operationally 12 strand
when a change of perspective is made.)
When the signal (in the course of being compressed, thus (relativistically)
'speeding up') hits the fracture, it reflects, refracts, diffracts, and
propagates; with a change of phase. It changes direction (in many
directions), it changes rate of compression (acceleration thus gravity) (in
many ways), and it changes frequency-stacking-procedure (at many levels):
its information packing process is suddenly 'hybridised' with one which has
a different packing frequency; which means it changes phase (thus degree of
It means that the broad band wave signal which came in, and was being
compressed as it 'travelled into the funnel', suddenly sets up a logical
series of reverberation, phase changes, of both the 'information bolus' or
'bolt' (travelling into the vortex). But also of the vortex itself.
Gravity, acceleration, time and materialisation are simultaneously changed.
(We see the same process in the digestion of food; and the
unpacking-repacking is contains.)
What is perceived is that the the coherence (love) is lost; in the
cracking-up of the signal compression.
The reverberations induced by the changes of coherence (consciousness) are
known as 'emotions' (i described some aspects of that in 'Psycho Logics'
many years ago').
Depending on the degree of change of rate, the love will turn (indeed, a
change of phase angle) into anger, resentment, hate, fear, joy, etcetera.
(Just as Chinese medicine well describes the scatter matrix, which is the
logical result of the way such a information ball or bolus' cracks up.)
(Again, Dan, your model of the tetrahedron and the photon spin angles
'explains' what goes on: some of the energies (compression waves) travel on
and 'produce' "joy"; some reflect back and affect the vortex; causing
"fear"; some reflect back into the vortex and continue as surface waves
there, known as "fear", and so on. With the 7 independent spin angles
involved; the same mechanism which is seen in the spin-empowerment used in
the heart. It is indeed all very mechanical.)
It is thus not the sending of love which creates the anger or hate; it is
the inability of the receiver to process the energy. Or the inability of
the sender to process love.
(The first is a limitation in the processing; the second a limitation of
The first is an interruption of the transfromation; the second a
restriction of wave bandwidth.)
For the first case, in fact, 'anything that moves' would have induced hate,
because any vibration would expose/show the flaw of the Vortex, the
compression conic, the 'broken phi-spiral'.
(Dan, your model has habitually assumed that the spiral is whole; evidently
this does not always need to be the case; it is the fracture of the spiral
which explains how 'emotions; arise; as simple reflections off a boundary
(thus closed-system to open-system interface).
In the second case, it would affect anything that is whole.
This case involves a shortcoming in the frequency spectrum, and the gaps it
contains. With the result that 'the sending of love'; induces a backfiring
for all those frequencies which the sent spectrum lacks; that energy is
ricocheted and reflected as 'anger' (or any emotion) (or potentially
This has to do not with a limitation in the Receiver (thus indication of a
pathology there), but a bias in the Sender (thus a pathology there).
Especially in the new age scene, there is a lot of bigotry; and bias. The
second case is not to be ignored. There are many many 'preachers in
disguise', who pretend to (and seriously believes themselves that they)
'send love', while in fact they (the prophesied 'False Priests') are very
manipulative, motivated by ego-aims, and seeking personal gratification out
of 'helping others'.
I can best describe it as spiritual masturbation: it is a selfish act,
fruitless, and has no real aim of helping the other, but is driven by an
underlying motive of making their own life more pleasant. It is the
limitation to personal gain which makes that they do not send true love
(whole spectrum signal; 'thy will be done' stuff), but only what they
'believe to be good'. It is their bias which you see reflected, it is the
deficiency in the signal which they send, which can not be processed in the
other and thus, naturally, can not make a complete (de)compression
transformation in the 4D funnel of the phi-spiral, and rebounds back.
Again, the same process evolves as has been described above: the signal
recoiled, diffracts, and possibly affects the 'Vortex' (this human) itself.
(We ourselves are such vortices, as Lawrence Edwards showed). And the
reverberations of emotions are seen: that is what was the theme of the
discussion to which Dan reacted in the e-dialogue to which i respond.
Love transforms only in love; always.
It is wide band, full range, signal: 'white noise'.
Yet, if the transformation through which it passes determines how it can
travel on. Complete or not.
And it is the way in which the signal is (in)complete, which determines how
it can be processed.
If the signal is complete, it can undergo the complete compression through
the Phi-spiral; and transcend into the complementary reality at 'the end'
of the 'vortex'.
If the 'vortex' is broken, the transformation will be incomplete, and the
acceleration/compression process will break off at the edge of the rupture;
it will thereby amplify and expose the flaw itself (that is how incarnation
and diseases help heal flaws of the soul, by exposing them).
Likewise, of a signal is not one of love, it will be as deficient in some
frequencies as factory food is in nutrients; it can not be processed
completely 'in the vortex' as it lacks the inner in-formation on how to
process some steps; and it will rebound as a result.
(This is how this world reflects Karma, and gauges the difference between
what we actually do (karma) and (Dharma) the way it can be done to achieve
divinity/coherence. Residue vector calvulus, for embraided wave spectra, is
the mathematical equivalent of this.)
So, regarding the world as a training ground for souls, and the Phi-spiral
(the body of living organisms) as the acceleration transformation tool,
then any discrepancy in the transmission/reception of love will show up as
a distortion of love. (One form of which is hate).
Hurt, pain, depression, death; all diseases of all kinds can in this way be
logically understood; they all indicate at which level the 'transformation'
'goes wrong'. And disease is thus a way to detect the ways toward health;
as all distortions of love, they are indicators for what part of the
spectrum needs to be healed.
Most often, on this planet, both the signal AND the vortex are warped.
which just makes this training ground all the more interesting. As it is
the balance between the inner and the outer 'which we are here to learn'.
(Which is again just a model of how human life on this earth can be seen;
it is incomplete thus flawed; which is why the religions based on this
approach did not work; and left many dead...)
In short: it is the principle of compression which is involved. If it is
complete, love stays love.
If not, it breaks up. The signal, the receiver, the sender, the whole.
It is a way to calibrate the interface (Maya) of 'the vortex' itself. And
that vortex ... that is us.
I hope this makes clear why love sometimes seems to rebound as hate. It never does. It is the limitation in the humans which is seen. And even that is only the result of a flawed, incomplete, perspective ...
Feel well, O#o
its nice that you have so much energy to give voice to this it makes me feel.. less alone, thank you
your thoughts need a web site however WITH good pictures, lo phi, may this vortex between us be unbroken, dan winter
I have been following the "Sending Love" discussions with a lot of
interest. Wouldn't the prayer studies by Dr Larry Dossey contradict
the inversion theory? Shouldn't he have found a statisically
significant number of people with worsening conditions as a result of
the "positive" (both specific and general) thoughtforms?
Sent this shortened version of your conversation to a shaman lady friend of
mine. Her response is quite fine indeed, and could be circulated to your
> All the the classical meditators KNOW that to prevent Karma, one does
> not SEND anything from oneself to affect a change, because the wave that
> comes in contact with "reality" becomes phase inverted, the
> "opposite effect"
> from the intended is received, and of course, the receipient RETALIATES.
> This is so obvious by now inventory review of all the negative actions
> occurring across the planet, the greatest damage occurring in the areas
> that have the most "love" expressed through meditation.
> The way to affect change is to be the "love" inside, and be that so
> strongly that the spiritual flow comes into the beingness of the
> and continues to flow inwards and inwards. If it is radiated out from
> ANYTHING it immediately gets phase inverted, violates spiritual law and
> dharma insues, making a nasty karma scar.
> Meditation for instance is fine until folks "beam the energy" out of their
> bodies from the heart center. That is where the problem occurs - innocents
> are "blasted" with that beaming and the spashback is negative. Link a
> planet up this way, or any other way where the resultant action is to
> create an effect in others by having others who are aware and
> those who are
> NOT AWARE of what is going on receive the beaming action, is to open us
> globally up for a fall. AND we are seeing that globally.
> is the geometry of "sending" love, implosive..?
IT'S NOT THE 'SENDING' THAT CAUSES THE BACKLASH, IT'S THE "INTENTION TO
ENFORCE A CHANGE!" In fact, the backwash begins EVEN BEFORE THAT with the
PERCEPTION that there is something WRONG in the first place! That initial
perception of a wrongness is what begins stirring the waters, not the
"sending." If perfect, agapic love is sent with no intention to create
anything more than THE LEVEL OF FEELING THE RECEIVER CAN ACCEPT, then there
is NO BACKWASH OF KARMA. The JUDGMENT that the other person or group is
something other than PERFECT and needs LOVE SENT to them . . . the idea that
they are not PERFECT LOVE as they are . . . THAT IS WHAT CREATES THE
BACKWASH. AND, the backwash that comes into your life IS NOT the love coming
back all TWISTED, BUT THE ORIGINAL PERCEPTION OF SOMETHING BEING WRONG . .
. THE JUDGEMENT! This is how JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED works! (Especially
So, let's all go back to kindergarten and relearn the lessons of
perception-without-judgment and acceptance-without-need-to change. The
moment something someone is doing is considered uncomfortable, you are
judging. Only if you can receive or observe them and yawn over any
uncomfortable feelings are you even beginning to 'get' the idea of objective
perception. When you can receive all feeling with not even a yawn, then, and
only then, can you "send" ANYTHING (love, peace, serenity, etc.) without
some sort of backwash. (Actually, what will happen when you get to that
level is that the URGE to SEND will go away and you will instead find
yourself just LOVING, which is much more helpful.)
Warmest regards, C.....
--- It took me a long time to get to this point, Dan, since you gave us so
much to digest. I E-mailed Bob Dratch and Drunvalo last week, since their
contributions to this discussion were easier to assimilate, and I'm glad
that they are on better terms.
In response to your commentary.
1. The universe, as seen from 3-d reality, is inside out (as seen from a
higher-dimensional perspective), and this is the cause for some of the
problems with beaming into the outside world.
2. Shareability is really key, as is embedability, for any attempt to
create positive emotions for others to tap into.
3. We are always projecting something, regardless of our attempts to do
otherwise, and what we project will mirror what we feel inside.
4. All the free-will act of Sentient Beings are motivated by Love, so what
we project is always the product of love.
You can find my essay on the subject at this address...
I know that there is a lot more to be said on this subject, and I expect
to be posting an essay on point #1 soon.
I, for one, appreciate your efforts to keep us informed. I might not have
known about the dispute otherwise. Thank you.
Keep in touch!